Here is the link to a google page listing the key points/ facts/red herrings/tips/info etc. found so far. It is a summary for those not wishing to wade thru pages and pages of material. The threads on 2+2 are getting bogged down with crosstalk and bickering.
Here is the 2+2 thread created 7/13/08 by Nat Arem to summarize the original locked thread in all its glory. Please note this thread is now at 139 pages and counting.
Nat Arem was threatened (with what or from whom that's for Nat to share with the authorities if there are authorities who even care about this) and has pulled back from actively posting on the thread. As far as I know no one else has been threatened or admitted to it in the thread.
This puzzle, mystery, enigma of the ownership of UB past present future seems like a Dan Brown mystery ala The DaVinci Code. What is the saying follow the money trail....
Edit: Here is an excellent leadoff post on Pocket5's by Brsavage who used to play extensively at UB. Click here to read his thoughts on old UB/new UB.
I also find it interesting that the vast majority of poker bloggers other than myself and sprstoner have not even mentioned it. Guess everyone is too busy playing MTT's or doesn't think it effects them. Lucko does mention it but links to Sprstoner's post. My guess is that is because most of us stick to Full Tilt, Pokerstars and Bodog. But I suggest everyone get familiar with what is going down because it could happen elsewhere. If one site could have administrator access superuser accounts all sites could have them. It has been proven that the programming code can be done to actually see hole cards. Of course I hope the majority of the "trusted" sites have controls in place that prevents owners, insiders, employees from benefiting from such a program. It remains to be seen, was UB solely created to defraud the masses who play there or just the highrollers?
Poor Tiffany Michele, did the pressure get too much for her at the end? If you've read Dr Pauly during the WSOP you will note he makes frequent mentions of the agents swarming like flies on shit in and outside the Amazon room. I myself wondered why someone as fairly high profile as Tiffany would sport Ultimate Bet patches/logos considering all the bad press UB has been garnering lately. But here is a young lady involved in a tug of war... a former boyfriend in someone with close ties to Ultimate Bet in Hollywood Dave (aka Hollywood douche on some threads), employment by PokerNews (owned by Tony G) and whose entry into the Main Event was paid for by Tony G and Jeffrey Lisandro. If you followed Pauly you would know that the G had a stable of horses in the WSOP. Here are the key posts in the Tiffany Michelle drama bomb unfolding now:
First Dr Pauly's excellent post The battle for Tiffany Michelle's breasts. Scroll Down to 2008 WSOP Day 45: Main Event Day 6, post for July 14, 2008.
Next Check out PokerNews Statement here on how really really disappointed they are in Ms. Michelle.
Finally here is a couple of other threads on the battle for the Tata's/Tiffany:
2+2 here and here
and NeverWinPoker thread here (warning content on NWP may not be suitable for minors!!)
More to follow on the Ultimate Bet case as it unfolds. For those of you who dont realize how big this is, 60 minutes is going to be doing a piece on it and Gary Wise of WiseHandPoker and Espn.com is involved.
Showing posts with label WSOP 2008. Show all posts
Showing posts with label WSOP 2008. Show all posts
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Saturday, June 28, 2008
Shout-Out to Snake5970 in Vegas
Just a quick Saturday post. Snake5970 attempted to buy-in to the WSOP event #49 today but was told they capped it at 2700 due to space limitations. He wasn't too happy about that as it was the second day in a row that Harrah's didn't have their shit together for the Average Joe Player (more on that later). Another player told him they cut the blinds on his tourney (may have been the second chance) from 15 to 7 and then to 5 until the remaining players just chopped to give up the floor space. He was talking to a dealer who told him that although Harrah's hired about 30% more dealers to handle the masses alot of them have sat around idle and aren't making the money they are used to because Harrah's now doesn't have space to put all the players.
Dr Pauly reporting from Media row had this to say about the space limitations and set-up:
First fuck up of the day by Harrah's? Putting HORSE in the wrong part of the orange section. Imagine a rectangle and the final three tables inside. Well only one of the four sides could house railbirds. Two sides were adjacent to the donkament tables. The third was against the wall and used by tournament staff. That left only one side for the hundreds of railbirds. HORSE attracted the biggest crowd I have seen so far at the WSOP. By using the area closest to the main doors, the directly caused a major traffic jam with people trying to enter the Amazon Room. The lack of viewing space on the rail made it almost impossible for non-official media to get their jobs done. All in all, it's a big clusterfuck for the biggest event at the WSOP.
Their intentions were good but execution of their plan was poor. Big 'F' for day 4 before it has even started.
On Snake's first full day in Vegas (Thursday) he played a $330 sat to the Main Event. Harrah's told him expect about 300+. They only got 120 or so. The structure was horrible with 2k chips to start and it ran like a turbo. To top it off they told him it was in the satellite room but when he got there something else was going on. After a bunch of back and forths and the tourney director not even knowing where the satellite was being held, Snake found his seat in front of Buzio's.
Yesterday he played the $500 sat to the Main Event which he didn't fair that well in either but he ground out several hundred playing cash at the Rio to just leave himself a little short on the day.
So when I talked to him earlier he was on his way to Casear's to see if he could get into the Mega-stack starting at Noon. Right before chips went into the air he texted me that he was in. I just got a break time phone call that after 4 levels he was alive and well and up to about 50k chips. Over 600 registered today and they were down to about 200 something.
Snake5970 update busto about three hands after the break on two hands... He ran QQ into KK against a guy who had just gotten moved to the table. Snake made it 4000 to go the dude reraised to about 12k, Snake shoved. Call KK holds. Then down to about 20k with JJ he called a shorties all in, the dude from the KK hand called with AQ. Snake hit a set of Jacks on the flop. He moved all in and was up against TT vs the shortie but the straight hit for AQ guy and hero to zero in the span of about ten minutes. He definitely liked the Caesar's structure and I told him he should play the grand finale and not worry about that Holy Grail/Money Pit called the Main Event. But hey I'm a practical realistic kind of girl.
As for me I'm watching the US Olympic Track and Field Trials. I did play live last Saturday night at an undisclosed location somewhere across two rivers in a galaxy far far away. I was the bubble girl, final tabling again but I finished 9th with 8 paying. I did make two really good calls that I'm pretty proud of one after I accidentally exposed my cards with a person left to act. Tom had his cards tucked under his chips and his hands over them and I didn't realize he was still in the hand. When he saw my cards he tried to bet me off the hand by raising me on the river. I didnt think he was much stronger then I, I figured my AT was good enough and he didn't have two pair so I called. He showed AT too, we split and Tom, said good call I'm surprised you called after my raise.
On line play has been something like this.. I've finished 2nd twice (Bodog and Pokerstars) and third once (Bodog) in SNGs, I bombed out of a 27 person sng finishing 11th when I got stacked early in a set over set fiasco. I outlasted most of the other donkeys but my KK or AA got out flopped by a big stacks 88 when they hit their set (so typical) and out I went. I did have a nice 6th place final table on Full tilt poker in an Omaha Hi Lo tourney. Much like this guy , who will never win a Mookie, I will never see the final table of a No-limit Holdem tournament on Full Tilt Poker because the creators of TiltWare have a doomswitch programmed in to kill me off at the first sign of an ITM finish.
Dr Pauly reporting from Media row had this to say about the space limitations and set-up:
First fuck up of the day by Harrah's? Putting HORSE in the wrong part of the orange section. Imagine a rectangle and the final three tables inside. Well only one of the four sides could house railbirds. Two sides were adjacent to the donkament tables. The third was against the wall and used by tournament staff. That left only one side for the hundreds of railbirds. HORSE attracted the biggest crowd I have seen so far at the WSOP. By using the area closest to the main doors, the directly caused a major traffic jam with people trying to enter the Amazon Room. The lack of viewing space on the rail made it almost impossible for non-official media to get their jobs done. All in all, it's a big clusterfuck for the biggest event at the WSOP.
Their intentions were good but execution of their plan was poor. Big 'F' for day 4 before it has even started.
On Snake's first full day in Vegas (Thursday) he played a $330 sat to the Main Event. Harrah's told him expect about 300+. They only got 120 or so. The structure was horrible with 2k chips to start and it ran like a turbo. To top it off they told him it was in the satellite room but when he got there something else was going on. After a bunch of back and forths and the tourney director not even knowing where the satellite was being held, Snake found his seat in front of Buzio's.
Yesterday he played the $500 sat to the Main Event which he didn't fair that well in either but he ground out several hundred playing cash at the Rio to just leave himself a little short on the day.
So when I talked to him earlier he was on his way to Casear's to see if he could get into the Mega-stack starting at Noon. Right before chips went into the air he texted me that he was in. I just got a break time phone call that after 4 levels he was alive and well and up to about 50k chips. Over 600 registered today and they were down to about 200 something.
Snake5970 update busto about three hands after the break on two hands... He ran QQ into KK against a guy who had just gotten moved to the table. Snake made it 4000 to go the dude reraised to about 12k, Snake shoved. Call KK holds. Then down to about 20k with JJ he called a shorties all in, the dude from the KK hand called with AQ. Snake hit a set of Jacks on the flop. He moved all in and was up against TT vs the shortie but the straight hit for AQ guy and hero to zero in the span of about ten minutes. He definitely liked the Caesar's structure and I told him he should play the grand finale and not worry about that Holy Grail/Money Pit called the Main Event. But hey I'm a practical realistic kind of girl.
As for me I'm watching the US Olympic Track and Field Trials. I did play live last Saturday night at an undisclosed location somewhere across two rivers in a galaxy far far away. I was the bubble girl, final tabling again but I finished 9th with 8 paying. I did make two really good calls that I'm pretty proud of one after I accidentally exposed my cards with a person left to act. Tom had his cards tucked under his chips and his hands over them and I didn't realize he was still in the hand. When he saw my cards he tried to bet me off the hand by raising me on the river. I didnt think he was much stronger then I, I figured my AT was good enough and he didn't have two pair so I called. He showed AT too, we split and Tom, said good call I'm surprised you called after my raise.
On line play has been something like this.. I've finished 2nd twice (Bodog and Pokerstars) and third once (Bodog) in SNGs, I bombed out of a 27 person sng finishing 11th when I got stacked early in a set over set fiasco. I outlasted most of the other donkeys but my KK or AA got out flopped by a big stacks 88 when they hit their set (so typical) and out I went. I did have a nice 6th place final table on Full tilt poker in an Omaha Hi Lo tourney. Much like this guy , who will never win a Mookie, I will never see the final table of a No-limit Holdem tournament on Full Tilt Poker because the creators of TiltWare have a doomswitch programmed in to kill me off at the first sign of an ITM finish.
Saturday, June 21, 2008
Poker Inventory in Progress
First go tell this guy you're happy he walked away from being wrecked. I am sure he will feel like ten miles of bad road today once the adrenaline has left his body but we all know he is a trooper. Heck he was live blogging shortly after taking care of business.
Secondly congrats to this chica for her score of a WSOP seat. I've congratulated her on her blog but felt a personal shout out was also apropos. Forget Tilly/Laak, the Jetts, Harman/Traniello etc. Lucko21/PvanHaribo are definitely the first man and lady of online poker. And Congrats to this little man who I've never had the pleasure to meet and this guy too!!
As Dr Pauly and others have mentioned it seems that this year really is the year of the pro at the WSOP. Definitely appears that way in the bigger buy-in Championship events. Personally, I think its great for the game. I was really happy that Mike Matusow and Layne Flack both won bracelets. As someone who has wrestled with the same demons (in my case it wasn't cocaine but booze and other forms of better living thru modern chemistry) and come out the other side I hope that the past is the past for these two gentlemen. I have seen Matusow endure so many heart-wrenching beats at final tables he was due.
Snake5970 leaves for Vegas on Wednesday for 18 days. I haven't talked to him since last weekends big events where he did not meet success after he played really well the night before in a few warm-ups. I know he is truly disappointed as the last three years he has had seats sewn up for the Main Event. He did have three steps (a 3,4,5) left and he played them Thursday morning and busted out of them all. I am not quite sure what happened there as I didn't rail any of them. He did mention via email that he ran into AA twice and then got his AA cracked by KJ. We were supposed to get together before he left but I don't think that's going to come to pass as I'm busy the next few evenings before he goes and I haven't heard from him since Thursday. And well I really don't know what to say.
Anyway, ever since that 2007 Blogger Bracelet race where LJ runner-upped (I was 5th) she has improved exponentially. My game on the other hand stalled. At least the on-line one did. Live I play fine, I've had plenty of decent live tourney cashes since last years Vegas trip. I've played well at Foxwoods and Turning Stone. For the most part I played okay in my former live league and was doing really well at the club before that action went poof.
I was reading Columbo's blog and he seems to have the same outcomes as I. The other nite i was playing a forum freeroll for a single MSOP seat because I just happened to be ready for the 8:30 PM start time. I normally do not play forum freerolls any longer. I was in fourth place with a nice stack with about 11 or so left. I re-raised a min-raiser with pocket tens. I got called by the chasing/luckbox who was holding KJos. I hit my set on a flop of ATx. He threw out a bet equal to the blind (totally weak there). I potted it to take away all odds and he called. turn was a blank. he checks I put almost all the rest of my chips in but like $45 (i potted again I think) and of course the asshat sucks out the Q for the str8. I win that hand I am chipleader and I was pretty confident that I could take it down. I had been outplaying everyone to that point slowly grinding my way up the board. Once again a river suckout on IG. I just think that it is ridiculous that 9 out of ten times the river card comes for the person who just couldnt lay down their hand and they always seem to have a few more chips.
Anyway, I decided that turbos are not my forte and I do better in deeper stacked tourneys although I am capable of doing okay in just your standard 1500 chip starting fields. I am rereading Sit N Go strategy by Collin Moshman. I also plan to buy Sit and Go Wizard during my vacation in a few weeks when I can sit down and grind and I may eventually take a class with Jennifear. I've had some improving SNG stats (I'm starting at low low buy-ins on stars and making a challenge of it) a few two many bubbles (a few unlucky suck-outs) and a few two many seconds and thirds but I'm rarely first out and I came back to cash after getting stacked to 300 chips in one. I did get my ass handed to me a few times when I re-raised with JJ and TT (i figured not many hands beat me there) only to get called by AK everytime and they hit the K or A to send me packing. I'm not sure that's the right move early on but I figure its a good spot to get some chips so you can pressure later as the blinds go up not to mention thinning the field. I figure once i get the software it will seal most leaks as for the most part my fundamentals are solid.
And to my gal pal CK, where the hell is our man Kirk Morrison? I have seen no mention of him at this years WSOP at all or any stats in the Hendon Mob Database.
Secondly congrats to this chica for her score of a WSOP seat. I've congratulated her on her blog but felt a personal shout out was also apropos. Forget Tilly/Laak, the Jetts, Harman/Traniello etc. Lucko21/PvanHaribo are definitely the first man and lady of online poker. And Congrats to this little man who I've never had the pleasure to meet and this guy too!!
As Dr Pauly and others have mentioned it seems that this year really is the year of the pro at the WSOP. Definitely appears that way in the bigger buy-in Championship events. Personally, I think its great for the game. I was really happy that Mike Matusow and Layne Flack both won bracelets. As someone who has wrestled with the same demons (in my case it wasn't cocaine but booze and other forms of better living thru modern chemistry) and come out the other side I hope that the past is the past for these two gentlemen. I have seen Matusow endure so many heart-wrenching beats at final tables he was due.
Snake5970 leaves for Vegas on Wednesday for 18 days. I haven't talked to him since last weekends big events where he did not meet success after he played really well the night before in a few warm-ups. I know he is truly disappointed as the last three years he has had seats sewn up for the Main Event. He did have three steps (a 3,4,5) left and he played them Thursday morning and busted out of them all. I am not quite sure what happened there as I didn't rail any of them. He did mention via email that he ran into AA twice and then got his AA cracked by KJ. We were supposed to get together before he left but I don't think that's going to come to pass as I'm busy the next few evenings before he goes and I haven't heard from him since Thursday. And well I really don't know what to say.
Anyway, ever since that 2007 Blogger Bracelet race where LJ runner-upped (I was 5th) she has improved exponentially. My game on the other hand stalled. At least the on-line one did. Live I play fine, I've had plenty of decent live tourney cashes since last years Vegas trip. I've played well at Foxwoods and Turning Stone. For the most part I played okay in my former live league and was doing really well at the club before that action went poof.
I was reading Columbo's blog and he seems to have the same outcomes as I. The other nite i was playing a forum freeroll for a single MSOP seat because I just happened to be ready for the 8:30 PM start time. I normally do not play forum freerolls any longer. I was in fourth place with a nice stack with about 11 or so left. I re-raised a min-raiser with pocket tens. I got called by the chasing/luckbox who was holding KJos. I hit my set on a flop of ATx. He threw out a bet equal to the blind (totally weak there). I potted it to take away all odds and he called. turn was a blank. he checks I put almost all the rest of my chips in but like $45 (i potted again I think) and of course the asshat sucks out the Q for the str8. I win that hand I am chipleader and I was pretty confident that I could take it down. I had been outplaying everyone to that point slowly grinding my way up the board. Once again a river suckout on IG. I just think that it is ridiculous that 9 out of ten times the river card comes for the person who just couldnt lay down their hand and they always seem to have a few more chips.
Anyway, I decided that turbos are not my forte and I do better in deeper stacked tourneys although I am capable of doing okay in just your standard 1500 chip starting fields. I am rereading Sit N Go strategy by Collin Moshman. I also plan to buy Sit and Go Wizard during my vacation in a few weeks when I can sit down and grind and I may eventually take a class with Jennifear. I've had some improving SNG stats (I'm starting at low low buy-ins on stars and making a challenge of it) a few two many bubbles (a few unlucky suck-outs) and a few two many seconds and thirds but I'm rarely first out and I came back to cash after getting stacked to 300 chips in one. I did get my ass handed to me a few times when I re-raised with JJ and TT (i figured not many hands beat me there) only to get called by AK everytime and they hit the K or A to send me packing. I'm not sure that's the right move early on but I figure its a good spot to get some chips so you can pressure later as the blinds go up not to mention thinning the field. I figure once i get the software it will seal most leaks as for the most part my fundamentals are solid.
And to my gal pal CK, where the hell is our man Kirk Morrison? I have seen no mention of him at this years WSOP at all or any stats in the Hendon Mob Database.
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